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Eclipse has a BPEL designer that I’d like to use. I’m pretty certain that I’m using Eclipse Classic with MyEclipse. So my questions are these:
1) How can I tell whether I have Classic or Ganymede? Is there something in Help > About > plugins that would give me a clue?
2) Can I switch to Ganymede? How? What consequences to existing projects? Can I do it by downloading Ganymede, then using the 7.5GA archived update?I really need to be able to implement the BPEL designer going forward. Your prompt response will be appreciated.
Douglas,
“Classic” is the type of distribution, while “Ganymede / Europa / Galileo, etc.” refer to the Eclipse version.
If you have Eclipse 3.4.x, you’re running Ganymede.
If you have the org.eclipse.pde plugin, you will most likely have the SDK / Classic build.
(You can find these details in Help > About > Plug-ins)If you are running MyEclipse 7.x, you have both Eclipse Classic AND Ganymede, which should allow you to go ahead and install the BEPL plugin, without having to switch to another distribution. Simply add the BEPL update site to your existing MyEclipse installation and you should be good to go.
If you don’t have an install currently, I would recommend downloading the MyEclipse 7.5 All-In-One installer and install MyEclipse. Start MyEclipse, add the BEPL update site to it and let it download and install the required plugins.
Please let us know if you need further assistance.
Thanks. I have 7.5. It wasn’t installed from the All-In-One, but became 7.5 through upgrades noted on program startup. I installed the BPEL plug-in and it appeared to install ok, but didn’t function as some other BPEL designers I’ve seen.
I realize this is not a problem on the MyEclipse plate, but SOA is fast becoming a standard and I’d really like to see MyEclipse jump on the bandwagon. As I see it, the crux of your success, beside your very reasonable annual subscription price, is your “Education Material” and the “Examples on Demand”
I would LOVE to see the WebService WebService Client tutorial upgraded to connect via this Eclipse BPEL designer step-by-step.
In most of the BPEL designers I’ve looked at (NetBeans and JDeveloper), when you click and drag a Web Service onto the BPEL designer canvas, it creates the entry in the BPEL XML, but also sits over to the left or right side so you can make connections to it. I’m not seeing this in the Eclipse BPEL designer plug-in. The tutorials on their (Eclipse) site must be based on some pre-release version as the look and feel is very different and the narrator remarks about several bugs during the tutorial.
I would ernestly suggest that you inform management and put SOA, BPEL, ESB at the top of your job jar… if you intend to stay competitive.
Douglas,
Sorry to hear the Eclipse BEPL experience was sub par.
Re: WebService client, what web service framework do you currently use? I’m assuming JAX-WS, but wanted to make sure.
We’re happy to hear you enjoy our examples and the education material MyEclipse provides.I appreciate your insight both as a MyEclipse user and a Web Developer and will forward this post on to our management right now.
Thanks!
Yes, I’ve used the JAX-WS tutorial as the basis of doing real, production WSs and Clients.
I’m convinced that the ESB is the future of buisness computing. The best analogy I can give is the baby monitors that run on your house current. The ones that you can plug in in any wall socket . In those cases, you set the code on the baby’s monitor to say 3, then set yours to 3 and Voila! you can hear baby.
It’s the same with the ESB, but unlike your household current, the ESB can also have controls on the bus… but it’s still very pluggable. In most cases it’s also faster, I believe because of connection pooling. With my simple WS and WS Client applications, evertime I exercise the client, it must make a connection through to the WS. With the ESB, the pool of connections are constant and are just checked out and in.
I still don’t know that much about it, but my experimentation has me excited.
I just hope the BPEL designer for Eclipse grows to the same level as JDeveloper and NetBeans (which may become one product after the Oracle purchase of Sun Microsystems) products.
