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Hello,
I have recently begun to use Eclipse and am considering purchasing MyEclipse. I have already installed a few plugins – most notably the WTP plugin. I am wondering how well MyEclipse will be able to coexist with other plugins. The picture I am building from scanning the forums is 1) Start with a clean install of Eclipse, 2) Install MyEclipse, 3) Leave it at that. Your comments and advise will be appreciated.Robert
Robert,
The advice you gleaned from the forums is a good one. The reason for that is MyEclipse is a huge product, about 180 plugins and we incorporate some features from other products like WTP, JBossIDE and HibernateTools. So while the two may actually function side by side (in some cases they won’t) you can run into major confusion with two plugins provided the same actions or similar-functionality.Also the *big* problem is folks installing VE. Because VE requires EMF/GEF and almost all the editors/designers that MyEclipse ships use EMF/GEF, when folks go installing different versions of EMF/GEF into their Eclipse/plugins directory so VE works, what happens is MyEclipse goes to load it’s own versions and bam, it can’t. So all the editors start failing with “Cannot create part”. That’s the biggie to watch out for.
I would suggest to follow the advice, install Eclipse/MyEclipse then see which functionality you are lacking and ask here first before you install it or go ahead and install the new plugins one at a time, keeping an eye out for weird behavior. Also don’t forget to be using -clean when adding/removing plugins to keep your workspace cache clean.
This actually makes me nervous.. Does this mean that there are going to be issues with VE and ME 4.1 now? 🙁
This actually makes me nervous.. Does this mean that there are going to be issues with VE and ME 4.1 now? 🙁
There are “problems” with any Eclipse-based product that rely on varying versions of the same library. If you try and use the outdated Beehive plugin that relies on WTP 1.0 with WTP 1.5 installed, it won’t work. If you try and use a nightly build of VE that uses nightlies of EMF/GEF along side MyEclipse, it won’t work. If you try and use nightly builds of the UML2 project with a stable build of VE they both rely on different versions of EMF, it won’t work. Etc. etc.
The point being that in your workbench any time you try and combine plugins that both hvae the same dependency but need different versions of it, you may run into trouble. This is exacerbated with larger products like MyEclipse because we have *so* many plugins that rely on a whole gamut of underlying technologies where as your favorite Subversion plugin may have 1 or no dependecies so you never really notice problems.
DaveO,
We did not change the EMF / GEF versions we ship in 4.1 from the latest production builds we shipped in 4.0 so you shouldn’t run into anything new with VE, provided you’re not using a 3.2 compatible nightly build as Riyad stated. 🙂
Hi Scott/rkalla!
Ah ok.. well with the 4.0x MyEclipse releases my strategy was to:
Set up Eclipse 3.1
Install MyEclipse
Install the GEM/JEF that VE needed
Install VE.That approach worked pretty well. Is is safe to say I can try that approach again..? 😉
DaveO,
I have no reason to believe that wouldn’t work again since we haven’t changed our platform version. Or, if you already have a ME 4.0 install, just use the update manager to update it. That’s the easiest. (don’t forget to enable ‘compatible’ updates in the preferences).
I tried to use the update manager but I ran into that same problem with all of the net connections being consumed and locking up the stack in XP…. 🙁
I’ll pull down the “update site” that you have on the website and update from that.
Thanks for the tips, btw.
I tried to use the update manager but I ran into that same problem with all of the net connections being consumed and locking up the stack in XP…. 🙁
Now that is wacky. However, I do know that the update manager does use multiple connections. I’ve never seen this happen on my XP box but it’s likely just a difference in the setup / what we’ve been doing.
The archived update site might be faster anyway since the download of “one large thing” over “many small things” is generally faster.
Yea I downloaded the archived update site and installed it. I’ll let you know if I have any snags.. so far it’s lookin real good!!
Now that is wacky. However, I do know that the update manager does use multiple connections. I’ve never seen this happen on my XP box but it’s likely just a difference in the setup / what we’ve been doing.
This problem has been happing for a long time with the Eclipse web updating of ME. I had the same issue with the last upgrade and quite honestly just gave up and re-installed.
Scott, you might want to get this looked into and find out what’s going on…
Tho it is nice to know I’m not the only one who’s hit this snag..
DaveO,
The problem is that we don’t augment the update manager in any way. It’s the standard Eclipse version and it’s in charge of opening connections, not us. There these Eclipse bugs that seem related:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=103250
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=103776
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=108436
